Ora Nadrich: Mindfulness Mastery, The Says Who Method & Conscious Living | Ep68

Christian
What’s up beautiful people? This is Christian from the Successful Spiritualpreneur Podcast. And today I’m super honored and excited to have Ora Nadrich on the show. She’s a pioneering mindfulness expert, international speaker and founder of the Institute for Transformational Thinking. She’s the creator of Says Who Method, a powerful questioning technique that helps people break through limiting beliefs and transform their lives.

Ora is the author of multiple acclaimed books, including Says Who and Mindful and Mysticism, as well as Live True, which was named one of the 100 best mindfulness books of all times. another person, Mary Williams, in which many of you know, says to Ora that when she speaks, I listen. When she writes, I read it. And when she gives advice, I heed it.

So welcome to the show Ora.

Ora Nadrich
Hi Christian, so happy to be here with you.

Christian
Lovely. So before we hop into your, you know, methods and beautiful frameworks you’ve discovered and shared with the world, we’d love to get to know you in a more personal level. So what was your story and path to mindfulness like? What was your, yeah, what was your life before you found mindfulness, so to say?

Ora Nadrich
Well, I was a meditator, I was an actress, ⁓ and I learned meditation while I was acting. I didn’t know anybody that was meditating at the time, but I was so blessed to be introduced to TM, Transcendental Meditation. And that really taught me how to be a disciplined meditator. And I meditated ⁓ with the Transcendental Meditation method for many, years. And then,

I read about mindfulness and when I read about mindfulness, it really resonated for me because mindfulness is really the practice of taking the meditation philosophy, if you will, and taking it off the yoga mat or the meditation pillow. So I became certified in mindfulness and mindfulness meditation and I started to teach mindfulness meditation and I started to write extensive articles

and some of the top magazines and for Huffington Post on the mindfulness practice. And then I authored four books that are really mindfulness based. So once I got introduced to the practice, to the discipline of mindfulness, that was it. I just fell really in love with the modality, the philosophy, the practice of mindfulness.

Christian
Beautiful. And what was it that drew you into mindfulness? Because, you know, I think especially back in the day, mindfulness really wasn’t that popular to make that your thing, so to say. What was the prompt for that?

Ora Nadrich
Yeah, you know, most people, if you ask them, what is mindfulness? I mean, if you just ask that question about the word mindfulness, mindfulness, you know, connotes being mindful, being thoughtful. Do you know? And a lot of people don’t know perhaps that that is about being mindful and thoughtful in present moment awareness, being in the present moment. And once I understood the whole idea of what it means to really be present in our lives,

and try to aspire to mindful awareness moment by moment, I thought this is one of the most powerful and the most beneficial ways to go through life. you know? So it really got me pulled in in such a positive way that I pursued it and I wanted to teach it to others. Do you know? And you’re right. So many people don’t know even till today. They don’t really know, well, what is mindfulness? What does it look like as a contemplative

practice if you will. So you know now more people are getting more versed and familiar with the mindfulness practice and I do like to explain it that when we go into a meditation practice we really put aside a certain amount of time to meditate. Do you know you’ll give yourself 20 minutes, 45 minutes, whatever your meditation practice is and then once that meditation is over you get up and you go out into life. But where the real

work happens is when we are off, again, the yoga mat or the meditation pillow, to really be mindful of who we are in all the moments of our life, not just for 20 minutes or for 45 minutes.

Christian
Yeah. And before we dive into your methods and your books, like what is something that everyone can do to in their daily lives to, guess, like what’s a simple tool without reading books or framework, this or that, just like what’s one thing that brings people back to you? like, yeah, this, everybody should do this.

Ora Nadrich
Good question. You know, I really encourage people to start the mindfulness practice from the minute they wake up in the morning. And so, you you could ask, well, how does one do that? Do you know, for me, I will share my own personal mindfulness practice that begins first thing in the morning. And that is from the minute you wake up in the morning, be present and aware of the moment that you’re in right now, which means oftentimes people will jump out of bed.

very quickly. They’re eager and they’re hurried to get to the next moment rather than really being grateful for the present moment that they’re in right now. You know, we’re very hurried for the most part, you know, and, you know, a study out of Harvard shows that we are in the present moment, not very much. We usually are not in the present. We’re either in the future of a timeframe which hasn’t come yet or we’re in the past.

of a time which is already come and gone. So to put it into practical usage, say in the moment, in the morning, really be present. You you’re lying in bed perhaps, you know, for me, I like to open my curtains first thing in the morning so I can really take in what I’m looking at. And I can really be present with right now I’m looking out my window, I see the beautiful clouds, it’s been raining. I’m not rushing through the moment.

I’m really appreciating the moment that I’m in right now. When you have to get out of bed, try and implement that with the next thing that you do, which might mean going to take a shower. We go in and we take a shower really hurry. We’re quick to take our shower. Smell the shampoo that you’re using. Smell the soap that you’re using. Really feel the sensation of washing your body. Do you know, take that into the next installment of your day.

you’re going to have breakfast. One of the things that we hurry through so much is the meals that we eat that we don’t really experience the full benefits of the food that we’re tasting. know, take the time to really, you know, smell the food that you’re eating, to experience the texture, the taste, the feeling of it on your lips, in your mouth, swallowing it. So

Those are just a couple of examples of how if you start early in the morning and you don’t just rush out of bed and then you let that jumpstart your day, what you’re doing really is you’re having a mindful awareness from the minute you wake up and that becomes sort of the precedent of how you set your day. That’s the benchmark of how you, from that mindful awareness, you begin your day.

Christian
Wonderful, beautiful. Thanks for sharing that. with that, you know, inviting people to that openness to mindfulness, how did you discover, because it seems like questions rather than answers have more of this open energy, right? So how did you first discover that asking questions is more powerful than giving answers?

Ora Nadrich
Really good question. You know, I do believe in the in the ⁓ philosophy, the very Socratic, if you will, philosophy of questioning everything. Do you know if we don’t question, we don’t get the answers. Do you know? And a lot of people just accept whatever is presented to them and they accept it as true and they readily accept whatever is told to them, whatever they see. And they don’t make it their own personal experience. Do you know? So

Questioning to me really allows us to go further into an experience and to decide how we feel about that experience, to decide if we even want to participate in that experience, to decide if we even want to accept that experience, whatever that experience is, do you know? And you can apply that to anything and everything in your life. So for me, questioning, which is really the basis of my first book, Says Who, which is a questioning method that I created for

questioning our thoughts. Do you know, a lot of people will say to me, wow, or I never even thought to question my thoughts. And a lot of the times people think that the thoughts that they have, especially the negative and the fear-based thoughts that dominate their mind, they can’t question it to find out if they even want to continue thinking those thoughts. And I say, we are the creator and the manifestor of our inner dialogue, which creates our reality.

And by that, mean, question your thoughts so that you can curate and you can pick and choose the type of thoughts that really support your wellbeing and help you along the life journey to manifest the very things that you want to create for yourself.

Christian
So can you give us a real example of someone using the says who method and having some sort of breakthrough moment through this? Can you walk us through a dialogue?

Ora Nadrich
Sure. Well, first of all, I want to share that I think we all know that our thinking mind is incredibly active. And a lot of the times the inner dialogue or the inner chatter seems to feel like it’s taking us over. We think between 40 and 70,000 thoughts a day. Well, that’s a staggering amount of thinking, but most often we’re not cognizant of all the thoughts that are going in and out of our mind.

The thoughts that get our attention primarily are the negative and fear-based thoughts. Those are the ones that stop us in our tracks and start to dominate the thinking process and start to really loop in our mind. So from an observer point of view, and mindfulness is really being in the present moment with total awareness, with non-reactivity and self-love. And what that means essentially is

you know, not to go into reactive mode, but to be in observation mode. So for example, if a negative thought pops up in your mind and it invariably will, because we have negative thoughts, we have the inner critic, what I suggest to people is the minute a negative thought comes up into your mind, observe it and start to have a dialogue with yourself. And if it’s a negative thought that repeats itself, or you’ve had this negative critical thought,

maybe for years in your life, you’ve carried that thought forward. It’s become a part, a dominant part of your thinking process. What I suggest for people to do is to first and foremost, go into observation mode, which is like, ⁓ there’s that thought again. Okay, I’m having that thought again that’s telling me it could be anything from I’m not good enough, I’m not worthy, I’m not gonna get that job, I’m not gonna meet my soulmate.

you whatever your inner negative dialogue is, to be with it, to allow for it. Don’t deny it, don’t push it away. And the first says who question of the says who method is, says who? Who is saying this negative or fear-based thought in my mind and to take responsibility that I am? I am telling myself I’m not good enough, I’m not worthy, I’m not gonna get that dream job.

I’m never gonna meet my soulmate. And when you start to deconstruct that thought, first with the observing of it, you can start to do what I say, one of my favorite techniques that’s in my book called the release and replace technique. The release and replace technique, which is so user friendly, and I’ve taught to thousands of people that use it till today is the minute that negative thought pops up into your head, replace it with a positive counterpart.

even if you don’t believe it. So in other words, if you could say, you know, I’m never going to get that job. If you can tell yourself, I am going to get the job that I really desire. When you start to feed yourself positive, reinforcing thoughts, it starts to go into the subconscious and the subconscious is a storage room for all the thoughts that we tell ourselves. And when you start to develop a healthier thinking,

habit of mind, your mind will start to default more to positive support thinking versus negative thinking. So this is a practice. It’s a mental discipline. And I say, do it, you know, start it one step at a time. And when you start to do that, you really are developing neuroplasticity in the brain that you’re developing more positive neurons that are, you know,

in your head and that you don’t default to a negative mindset and you start to learn how to develop positive thinking.

Christian
Yeah, I love that. think it’s just the hardest part to somehow make this a habit or somehow make this, have this positive mindset become the default that we go through.

Ora Nadrich
You know, Christian, we’re not going to be positive all the time. That’s part of the thinking process. But what I really invite people to do is to try and commit to a type of discipline. know, people are more inclined to commit to working out than they are to working with their thoughts and becoming more disciplined with mind strength. You know, they, they might be really good at, you know, working out so they can look good and stay in shape, but their mental shape is not.

really optimum, do you know? So if you can apply the same discipline to one thought at a time, one step at a time, and really start to address your negative and fair-based thoughts and work with them, don’t deny them, don’t push them away, and don’t fuel them. Don’t give them more space in your mind. I say this is the most valuable real estate there is, is the thinking mind.

Christian
Yeah, yeah, so true. And what would you say is the biggest misconception that people have about your method before they try it?

Ora Nadrich
I think people, yes, before they try it might think, well, I can’t control my thoughts. My thoughts control me. Which is another says who thought? Well, who said that your thoughts control you? You are telling yourself that. That’s already like, think of all the things we tell ourselves and how quickly we dismiss positive things that can come into our life because we already have a preconceived.

idea of what that looks like. Okay. And what is that? That’s all the negative thoughts that we tell ourselves. So one of those things I think that people feel is they have suffered so much feeling dominated by their negative and fear-based thoughts that they don’t believe that something like this could help them. Well, I say, you know, first of all, try it. And the more you do it, the more you see the results. You know, I’ve had so many people come back to me and say, wow, this really works or

I don’t really think as negatively as I used to. I used to be such a negative person and now I’m really not. Or when a negative thought comes up, I catch it faster. I don’t just give into it. I don’t just surrender to it. I don’t just accept it. They believe through the practice of this that they can actually work with their mind and be able to change their negative thoughts to positive ones. And again,

This isn’t an expectation that happens all the time. This is a skillset. This teaches you how to work with negative thoughts. Negative thoughts are never going to go away entirely, but you’re going to get really good at catching them faster and working with them and dissolving them.

Christian
And that skill you also teach in your Institute for Transformation of Thinking, correct? And in growing and building that, like what were the biggest challenges in, you know, you know, growing your own institute?

Ora Nadrich
Yes.

I can’t say that there were really, there weren’t really a lot of obstacles or challenges with it because I knew that I wanted to have all my work, all my workshops, all my books, all the skill sets and the methods and the modalities that I was teaching others to be under the umbrella of the IFTT, the Institute for Transformational Thinking. And I think once people entered into that milieu, once they understood that there’s an actual

environment, if you will, where we can really work with our thoughts productively day in and day out. I started to see such an immediate receptivity to it that people really want to change. They don’t want to, for those that do, they don’t want to stay stuck. They don’t want to stay stuck in limited thinking. So the Institute really offered so much to people. And I saw a lot of people really come forward that were

really interested in it and really wanted to participate.

Christian
Very cool. with your institute, you also certify others in your method, correct?

Ora Nadrich
Yes, I do. I created a niche of coaching. I was a life coach for 10 years. And for some reason, I never really loved the term life coach because it seemed so broad to me. It seemed non-specific, if you will. Like, well, what about life? What parts of life are you coaching? You know, are you coaching people? Yes, you could say about everything in life. But what I realized is that I was really coaching people to understand their thinking better.

So I created a whole kind of revolutionary area of coaching called the Thought Coach. And I started to certify people as thought coaches through the Says Who method so that they could learn how to coach having gone through the ⁓ certification themselves, they could then create a practice, a thriving practice for themselves to become a thought coach and help others become, you know,

first and foremost to learn how to master their own thinking mind. And if someone wants to become a thought coach, great, you know, or they want to just go through the process of the thought coach method, the says who method, that’s great too. So it really turned into this incredibly successful coaching opportunity. And I had so many people, some who were already life coaches and some were who were therapists and

had been involved in other areas of some type of therapy modality that love the whole idea of becoming a certified thought coach.

Christian
Yeah, yeah, I think it’s beautiful that you you created something that allows others to take, take, take that with them and do something with that, right?

Ora Nadrich
Exactly. That felt empowering to me that people could not only fully understand their own thinking mind better, but to give them an opportunity to take this coaching method and, you know, flourish with it themselves. That was exciting for me.

Christian
Yeah, let’s talk about your books. Your first book says who? ⁓ made you what made you for it? How did you get into writing a book? I guess is the question. And then how did you get it published?

Ora Nadrich
Well, the Says Who method really came to me when I was coaching a client of mine. And I hadn’t written the book at the time, but I was working with a client and she came to me with a thought that was really troubling her. I thought she was coming to me to discuss something else, but she really revealed to me that there was a thought that she had that was really troubling her. And when she shared it with me,

I had such a huge aha moment. I was like, I have a really strong feeling that this fear-based thought, she had a very deep, fearful thought about herself that was really paralyzing her to do something that she wanted to do creatively in her life. When she shared it with me, with this aha moment, I was like, I don’t believe that thought originated with her. I feel she learned that thought or she heard that thought from someone else.

And she took that negative, fearful thought on as her own. And something very magical happened when I was in session with her. I started to question her. And going back to one of your first questions to me is why is questioning so important? I started to question her about, you know, how long has she had this thought? Did she ever hear anybody say this to her because she took this on as real and, you know,

how is this thought making her feel? Which is three of the says who questions or what became part of the says who method. And when I started to coach her in this questioning way, it was helping her tremendously because it was helping her connect the dots of why this thought has entered into her mind and why it dominates her mind so negatively. And I saw this incredible breakthrough with her when I was

questioning her, which then became the Says Who method. I didn’t know it at the time. So that really inspired me to write Says Who. I thought, wow, I just worked with this client. I’m asking her these questions. I think these questions are really valuable in helping someone understand their negative and fear-based thoughts and to learn how to work with them and to challenge them. So I was super inspired and I wrote Says Who.

and I knew I had something very special on my hands because I saw it firsthand help somebody. And I created the Says Who method, the seven questions, and there’s so many other skill sets and techniques that are in the book. And then I, you know, looked for a publisher and I found a publisher at the time that loved it and took it on and that was it.

Christian
Beautiful. I love that. So says who is all about, you know, breaking, eliminating beliefs, changing your mindset. What about live true? Because, you know, that one was also named, you know, one of the hundred best mindfulness books of all time. How is that book different in its own regard?

Ora Nadrich
Well, that book really was the first book that I put the mindfulness practice into. I combined mindfulness with the authentic self and says who is a cognitive book. It’s a method again on transformation, transformational thinking. Live True was an opportunity for me to write a book where I can really bring in the mindfulness practice, the practice of awareness of when we’re being inauthentic to ourselves.

And so I really love the whole idea of being able to merge, to couple mindfulness with the authentic self. That just seemed like a winning combination for me because again, without a present moment awareness of who we are in the moment, it’s very easy for us to not be true to ourselves and be someone that we’re really not in situations that ultimately don’t make us happy. Do you know?

So I wrote Live True and I really broke it down into so many ways so that people could understand how valuable it is to be present and that when we’re not present and when we’re not really functioning in an authentic way, we suffer. Do you know what I say in Live True? It’s a lot harder to be who you’re not than to be who we are. Do you know? So that really was received so well and it got

Christian
Yeah.

Ora Nadrich
acknowledged by Book Authority and was voted as one of the top mindfulness books of all time. And it’s also an extremely helpful book for people to really live the authentic life. And I also added a journal to it, which is the Live True Mindfulness Journal so that people can really every day enter in a journaling, if you will, about

how they’re living their day. Were they inauthentic today? Were they able to be more authentic? that’s how you start to break the habits by integrating and incorporating other ways of thinking. So that was super successful too, because it gave people an actual workbook to be able to write down how they are connecting more mindfully to the authentic self.

Christian
And then your latest book, Mindfulness and Mysticism, how is that an evolution? And it also has the foreword by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. ⁓ How is that book, how does it compare to the other two?

Ora Nadrich
Well, that’s my third book. That’s not my most, my book after that was ⁓ Time to Awaken, which was my fourth book. But Mindfulness and Mysticism really came to me, all the books that I write come to me in a way that it’s exploring something that feels really important to me. Like I’m on that journey myself. Like I am going into a deep dive of a particular journey that I’m exploring.

And then I write the book because I really want to bring others onto the journey with me, knowing that they too can be liberated in the ways that I became liberated on my own personal journey. So my philismisticism was really different in that, again, but using the thinking process that our thoughts create states of consciousness. And I broke that down into different states of consciousness that we are in. You know, we’re in the sleep state.

We’re in the awake state. And so many of our thoughts really create an energy that we are experiencing, be it positive or negative. And so the deep exploration that I took with that book was to ⁓ help me understand that our thoughts can turn anything into a experience that could feel very spiritual for us. It can feel very magical for us.

and it can help us not be led by fear in the experiences that we have. And the more we accept a more expansive view of thinking, the more we can have mystical experiences. Now, mystical experiences doesn’t have to be something that just sounds so esoteric or something that only some people experience. A mystical experience can be a magical experience. A mystical experience can feel like you’re experiencing a type of bliss.

a type of joy that sometimes is even hard to put into words, do you know? And we’ve all had those experiences. We may have not called them a mystical experience, but we’ve allowed ourselves to transcend fearful thinking. And what that does is it helps us experience states of consciousness that feel so beautiful. And sometimes it’s even hard to explain what it is, do you know? And I wanted people to know that

Everybody can experience that if they allow themselves to go into a more transformational thinking and to transcend those thoughts that pretty much weigh us down and keep us stuck in very limited thinking. And that limited thinking limits our experiences.

Christian
⁓ Beautiful. with all your work, especially maybe in regards to mindfulness, means mysticism, like what mystical traditions or teaching like have most influenced you?

Ora Nadrich
Well, you a lot of the books that I read and I read a lot of books by Evelyn Underwood, who was a mystic. I mean, there’ve been a lot of mystics throughout time and who lived their lives being led, I felt, by something that transcended the limitations again of a world that is ruled by…

thoughts, you know, that I love the quote by mystic French philosopher, mystic Pierre Tellar Deschardin. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. And that really resonated for me when I discovered that, because I thought, wow, we are we’re in the body. We’re in the physical. We’re having all these day in and day out physical experiences. And a lot of those physical experiences ⁓ keep us very stuck.

in a limited belief about ourselves. And if we accept the fact that we’re spiritual beings, as Pierre Tellard de Chardin said, we know that there’s something really beautiful that is part of who we are, that’s part of our soul and our spirit. And so I started to read more about the mystical experience and read about other people throughout history, that it had mystical experiences, and it really resonated for me.

And I thought, this isn’t something that just can be limited to just a few people or just people historically. These are experiences that each and every one of us can have that are personal to us.

Christian
Hmm. Yeah, and it seems like, you know, throughout the years, you know, you just have all these angelic vibes about you, you know?

Ora Nadrich
Thank you. I want people to know that the life experience can be something that’s really beautiful or more than what they think is possible. Do you know, we all know that life can be very difficult. We know that there are a of challenges on the life journey path. We know that there are a lot of things that can make life very difficult. But what I also want people to understand that

When they are more expansive in their thinking, they really can experience life in ways that seem angelic, if you will, to use your expression or etheric or ethereal or, ⁓ you know, words that don’t usually describe the human experience. Do know, we, can use other words to describe the human experience. Like, yeah, it can be great and it can be fun and it could be all these great things, but

We can bump it up a notch, you know, we can turn the volume up even more and we can expand our senses even more, you know, and we can optimize. And that’s again why I love the mindfulness practice so much, because the mindfulness practice to me is the entry point into a life that feels so much more beautiful and so much more expansive.

Christian
What do you say in the current phase of events with technology, AI coming around? What’s your take on that, I guess? I’ll say it very broadly.

Ora Nadrich
Yeah, no, think again, I really enjoy your question. So my last book, my most recent book is called Time to Awaken. You know, being, you know, it’s basically living consciously in a time where transforming the world with conscious awareness is really what it is. And I wrote about AI in my book and I wrote about the transhumanism movement. And, you know, for those that perhaps don’t know about that,

I think it’s a good idea to research AI more and it’s going to be such an integral part of our lives. And the advent of technology as powerful as it is, is really taking hold and taking shape. And even Elon Musk talks about it, that, you know, AI is going to have a tremendous effect on our lives. And I remember him saying that quote three years ago.

He said over the next five years, which would mean over the next two years. Okay. So I know that it’s part of the technology ⁓ revolution that we’re in and we cannot deny it. It exists and it’s going to get more more pronounced and more defined in our lives. And it’s a powerful tool. It’s the most powerful tool we’ve ever experienced. And I think people have to be really prepared for it with a mindful awareness. And I think that

The more mindful we are, it will affect our use of AI and what is our intentionality? How do we want to use it? Do you know? And ⁓ I think it’s pretty fascinating because I talk about us as spiritual beings and then now we have this technology and how do you merge the two? Do you know? I mean, it’s a pretty loaded topic and we could go really deeper into it. I don’t think we would have time to go as deep as we could.

But what I really suggest to people is to be as mindfully aware of this technology as you can and what type of relationship do you want to have with it. And to remember our humanity is the most important thing for us to preserve. So we’ve got all of this very advanced technology that’s here. And it’s the antithesis of spiritual because it’s a

Technology is a tool, you know, and so how do we preserve our spiritual integrity and also know that we’re going to be interacting and interfacing with such advanced technology and to just remember who we are, you know, to protect the ⁓ humanity of our civilization.

Christian
Yeah, yeah, I think it’s a very fascinating topic, you know, because at some point even AI will develop its spirituality and own way of consciousness, you know.

Ora Nadrich
Yeah, yeah, there’s a lot of talk around that, which I mean, I mentioned Ray Kurzweil, you know, the singularity is near who I researched when I wrote Time to Awaken. And, you know, there’s a lot of questions about the consciousness of AI. know, it’s the word around AI is interesting to me because it’s artificial. When you hear the word artificial versus human intelligence brings up a lot of

Excuse me, a lot of things, you know, like can an artificial intelligence ever have the type of consciousness that humans can have? I don’t know. We’re in the future. We’re very in the future already. As I love that quote by Albert Einstein, I don’t worry about the future because it’s already here. It’s here. We’re in it. It’s happening. And I think with the advent of AI, ⁓ it lets us know pretty clearly that it’s here. So

A lot more will be revealed about it. And I think we’re living in a very fascinating time in our historical timeline to have these new technologies that are so powerful that we’re going to be, you know, having to coexist with. So it’ll be really, really interesting to see how this evolves.

Christian
Yeah, beautiful. I’d like to explore a little bit more your work side. So when people come and have a coaching session or are part of your institute in a way, what would you say, who do you seem to attract? Who are your ideal clients? Is it individuals going through a crisis, entrepreneurs, seekers, all of the above? What do you say?

Ora Nadrich
I’ve had all of the above as clients. My favorite type of people to work with are people that want to change. Do know, I don’t really want to be the person that you come to that you just want to unload your problems. Not that you have to deny your problems or your traumas, or you can’t present those to me. But I can tell pretty quickly between a person who really wants to change and go to the next place in their evolution.

I’m a good person to work with for that. I’m not the right person to work with just to hold your hand to vent about your past and the problems that you have had. I’m very solution oriented and I can really help you ⁓ transform. As you know, this goes all into the transformational thinking modality.

That’s what I’m most useful for to work with people that are really on board to change. They genuinely want to change.

Christian
Yeah, makes sense. You want to work with people who are, you know, hot iron, so to say, you know, right. Yeah.

Ora Nadrich
Yeah,

totally. know, it doesn’t, it doesn’t, for me to just, for you to pay me so that you can stay stuck, it doesn’t interest me at all. And I don’t, it just is something I have no interest in doing. And I made that very clear that, and so what that does, Christian, is it invariably will attract more and more. When I first became a life coach, I got so many different kinds of people that were coming to me.

And with time, it started to get more refined. And so I think the people that really are attracted to it today, you know, it’s probably an energetic manifestation of my belief in that I want to only help people that really want to change, attracts those kinds of people to me.

Christian
Yeah, yeah, makes sense. So let’s talk about your legacy. Like, where do you see, where do you see the mindfulness movement, your work going in the next five to 10 years? And yeah, what do you see your, your impact or where, where, yeah, what do you see yourself?

Ora Nadrich
Yeah,

I really feel, especially with the question that you just asked me about AI, I really feel that on the life journey, self-realization is the most important thing to experience. Who am I? Why am I here? What am I doing here? What contribution can I make to my fellow humanity? What is it that I’m meant to be doing in this lifetime?

Again, this goes back to questions, which are so key, fundamentally important in helping support the self-realized self and to promote a journey of ⁓ inner awareness. So I think the mindfulness work is more important now than ever because of the very things like AI that might take us further away from self-discovery of the ⁓ fully realized self.

So I hope that the legacy that I’m putting into motion right now is that people really embark on the journey of self-awareness. They are really unafraid to know themselves fully because when you’re awake, and my book, Time to Awaken, really addresses all that, to be a really fully awake human being means that you really have a sharp awareness of not only the self,

but others, your environment and the world and even the cosmos. It’s how far you wanna zoom out. That’s part of your personal journey. And I think that it’s, I think it’s really necessary today because of the challenges that we will be facing with such powerful technology, as I just said. So I hope that the mindfulness practices is taught and learned.

to more people so that they can really value the discovery of the awake self. We really need to wake up more to address the problems of the universe, to really make things work and to turn this planet of ours into the best that it can be. Not just to take from it and to destroy and to…

You know just selfishly get from it what we want but don’t replenish it back you know we need to wake up more we need to know how to really you know make this world not a dystopian reality but try and aspire for it to be more of a utopian reality i think it’s possible.

Christian
Yeah, beautiful. I love that. So we’re coming towards the end of episode and I always, you know, love for you to just like, you know, give it over to the guests and leave, leave the listener with something that, you know, that you, what are the last words you want to leave them with?

Ora Nadrich
think the last words that I want to leave with is that, you know…

Go towards your truth. Live your truth. Live your individual truth. Be led by what really pulsates in your own heart and your own soul. That is within you. That comes from you. Lean into life with you as the creator, with you as the manifestor. We’re powerful. We are incredibly powerful. We could talk about how powerful something like AI is, okay?

But as humans, are unbelievably powerful and we haven’t even tapped into all the power that we’re capable of. And I say this, you know, in a benevolent way that we are this, we are extraordinary miraculous beings. So individually, I would say, live your life guided by your own inner truth, your own inner compass of light that really

is the guidance is the beacon that leads you every step of the way on the life journey and you really can live an extraordinary life if you allow yourself to and I encourage you to start today.

Christian
Beautiful. Well, thank you for being such a beacon of light, Ora, in that example of living that life for us.

Ora Nadrich
Thank you.

Thank you, Christian.

Christian
Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for being on.

Ora Nadrich
And thank you for having me.