Mike Howell: Core Energetics, Online Presence, Personal Transformation | Ep06

Christian
What is up beautiful people, Christian here from the Successful Spiritual Entrepreneur Podcast. And today we have a super exciting guest for you guys. His name is Mike Howell, and he’s a dedicated practitioner who serves individuals seeking to break free from old patterns, expand their consciousness, and deepen their connection with self, others, and the world.

His journey began in the world of acting, where he earned a BFA from Syracuse University. However, feeling unfulfilled in his role, Mike embarked on a transformative path guided by a trusted mentor towards a more fulfilling calling. His exploration into self improvement led him to Core Energetics, where he underwent extensive training, including a two year program in Core Revolution and a four year professional training at the Institute of Core Energetics in New York, followed by postgraduate studies in the Netherlands.

Currently, Mike is writing his thesis, further deepening his expertise in the field, and Mike integrates various disciplines into his practice including mindfulness, meditation, shamanism, fitness, wellness, and his background in acting.  This diverse approach helps him to offer a unique and impactful therapeutic experience guiding individuals towards a holistic and integrated sense of self.

Mike’s work is driven by the belief that life is a teacher, guiding us through varied experiences to where we are meant to be, helping his clients to come back home to themselves and live Into their potential. Welcome to the show, Mike.

Mike Howell
Wow. That was so thorough.  Thank you for that. Happy to be here. Happy to be with you.

Christian
Always good to come prepared.  And, um, good to have you on the show today. And, um, yeah, I just came back. I’m a little bit tired. I could just came back from the World Tea Expo in Las Vegas. Um, where I was hanging out with some tea nerds. It was incredible. Tea is one of my passions. Um, so apart from, you know, the web design and branding aspect that I love to just like make love tangible with people in the digital space with Love Pixel Agency, right.

I also love to bring that presence and the awareness into people’s lives with tea and actually have my own. Tea brand on Amazon and all kinds of funny things, ventures, yeah, lounges. We can find you on Amazon. Where can we find you there? Yeah, so the brand is called One With Tea.

Mike Howell
One With Tea, alright, I’m going to check it out.

Christian
Yeah, and so, yeah, I mean, tea for me is a very special beverage because for me, it’s, I don’t know, it’s kind of like the, Everyday ayahuasca, if you can call it that, you know, I don’t know. It’s hard and not everybody’s done ayahuasca. They can’t really, even I haven’t done ayahuasca yet. I’m going to do it this year in June.

But I feel tea is such a sacred plant. And when I drink tea, the one thing I always look out for, or pretty much any substance that you kind of like consume, but especially with tea, what I look out for is kind of the balance between divine masculine and divine feminine. Right. Where is that tea? Is it, is it, is it too hot?

Is it too cold? Is it too sweet? Is it too rough? Like, and usually at that point where the two meet is like, my God, what a great tea. 

Mike Howell
All right. So what’s your favorite tea? What has the perfect blend of the two?

Christian
I mean, you can find that perfect blend in any individual tea category, I would say.  Right. But my, I would say my top two teas, um, overall would be a Fukamushi Sencha, which is a deep steam Sencha, which Sencha is a green tea for people who don’t know Sencha, uh, Japanese green tea.

Um, and then my second favorite is, is, is an Oolong tea.  That I’ve heard. Very, very balanced. Black tend to, they’re also great. They’re a little bit more bolder than the, than the Oolongs. Um, and the green, I just love this like grass, vegetable. It’s like you drink like, I don’t know, green grass, life juice.

It’s incredible. I like that life juice. That’s good. Yeah, it’s, it’s so like I was at the tea expo yesterday and I had for breakfast, I had a bagel and then all day, nothing until like seven o’clock at night. I was just having tea and it’s very nourishing. Like, I feel there’s a lot of, you know, health benefits and just like nourishing elements about tea that we forget.

And, um, it’s funny cause, The brand that I have on Amazon, actually, the article got taken down, like, a couple months ago because I wrote about, you know, can prevent cancer and, you know, just like certain medical things, and they don’t like that. 

Mike Howell
Yeah. No, no.

Christian
So if you tell them there’s alternatives to chemotherapy, they’re  not a big fan.

Mike Howell
Yeah. Turn that off. Not allowed.  Silenced. Yeah.

Christian
But tea is great. Tea is fantastic. So if you haven’t explored tea yet, I can only Invite you and um, it’s it’s a wonderful beverage.

Mike Howell
All right. Well, I’m going to start with yours. So

Christian
yay. Great. All right so let’s uh jump into your personal history And so can you give us a little bit, you know a brief overview of your your background your highlight and you know How did you what makes you passionate about helping people with what you do?

Mike Howell
Yeah, I mean, I think  That’s a good question and like where to actually what’s the entry point there?  I think the thing that makes me Passionate about this is how this work has impacted my life. Um, I had a very clear moment where, you know, I was in the acting world. I was, you know, pounding the pavement, doing the thing.

And it just like, it was painful. It was actually painful. And when I realized that I was just kind of re injuring myself over and over and over,  I had this, this moment of like, stop. And it was like, Oh, I, I need to do something different. And I had been in therapy for a while and there was just this like aha moment in the desert at burning man, where I was like, Oh, this is the thing I’m supposed to do.

And really it just kind of, once I aligned myself with that, everything else just kind of opened. So I decided to move towards it and I left the acting world, like did not look back once. And another job presented itself to me that was kind of a bridge job and allowed me to really like pay for all of my schooling and save up to be able to like, really be able to focus on school and building a practice.

And so it was just like  somehow being in alignment with myself, the doors just opened. Um,  but yeah, I mean, I think the thing that drives me forward is.  Is my own experience through it all and feeling the transformation that I’ve gone through and continue to go through. It’s not like there’s an arrival point, you know, it’s, it’s a continual process that I’m on. And I think that’s part of.  It’s the journey.

Christian
Yeah. Yeah. Beautiful. And what, what, like, what was the specific insight at Burning Man that led you to say, I need to do things different? Was there a moment that you remember?

Mike Howell
yeah, so the first time I went out there, I,  uh, I really got myself into just some very difficult situations with my then partner and a very close friend of mine and just could not seem to like, Bernie man just brings up all your stuff.

And I had this, this moment in the midst of all of that chaos of just  this.  embodied sense of freedom. That’s the best way I know how to explain it. And it was just like, suddenly these blinders came off because like acting was the thing for me since second grade. Like I found it and like, it was like, this is the thing, this is what we’re doing.

And I just refused to take off those blinders. And so it was like a moment of like those getting taken off. And the freedom of like, Oh, there’s so much more here.  There’s so much more here. And, you know, you talked about ayahuasca before, and that was a huge part of like, psychedelics were a huge part of kind of that awakening for me.

And initially it was like, this is what I want to do. I want to go towards psychedelic psychotherapy. And then, you know, it kind of morphed and evolved and became this, this evolution with core energetics that I think, you know, they still kind of,  they still work together, there’s still some sort of.  coming together of those two things.

But, um,  yeah, that’s the best way I know how to explain it. Like the blinders coming off and just this  freedom.

Christian
Beautiful. And how,  like, how  did you decide, or why did you decide that you want to like coach people, like from actor, right? Which is very outward facing to like, Oh no, now I want to like help people heal from the inside kind of thing.

So how, how did that, why coaching? Why not just, I don’t know, like, or what’s, uh, what was the, yeah.  What was the motivation there?

Mike Howell
I mean, I think  really,  I guess having my own experience as the actor, you know, where it’s all outward facing, like I’m constantly, or I should say, I was constantly seeking that validation from the outside, you know, like, tell me I’m good enough, tell me I’m worthy.

Tell me. You know, like trying to fill that from the outside and this process has been one of realizing that like that’s just never gonna happen Like that’s just not what that is. Like those unmet childhood needs are never coming from the outside It has to come from the inside And so it’s really like my own experience through that and going through the pain of that and coming out on the other side of something like that  Just draw me to, or drew me to,  really like, helping humanity.

Do you know what I mean? Like, I think that,  yeah, I mean, there, I guess I can go here. There’s a way that I have always known, even as an actor, when I was an actor, it was kind of like, I’ve always kind of held this idea, it’s like,  we as a, collective as a whole, I think are at a pivotal moment in time. Like our consciousness is on the precipice of something.

And I think, you know, the, the last several years have been a very clear indication of that, in my opinion.  And, um, so  once I made that pivot, it was like, this is a way that I can really affect change, like putting people in touch with themselves, doing the healing work that they need to do so that they can be more.

Yeah, just connected to themselves. And then again, from that place, being able to face outward and how are we going to help the world? How are we going to help the collective? You know what I mean? We’re  we’re in some danger.

Christian
Yeah, I agree. It’s, it’s time for us all to really step up and. Make those changes in our lives, you know, and oftentimes it feels like we need to make these outwards big impact, but always starts within, right?

Mike Howell
Yeah, it has to.

Christian
And so I think that’s very Honorable and beautiful and the right path, I guess, in my experience, right? If it’s not,

Mike Howell
well, yeah, it’s like, it’s what’s the alignment for you, right? Like it’s not one size fits all. It’s like, what’s your center, what’s your alignment and moving from that place and really connecting people to that place and then allowing them to go where they need to go.

Christian
And so that alignment, is that part of like, let’s talk a little bit about core energetics. Is that part, like, is alignment part of core energy? Can you explain a little bit about core energetics for people who don’t know, who are not familiar with the concept? Like, you know, cause you’ve done so much studying and education around it.

I think a lot of people might not have heard of it. So can you explain a little bit what it is and then, you know, dive a little bit into the concepts.

Mike Howell
Yeah. So, I mean, the best way to kind of explain it is it’s like body based psychotherapy meets spiritual development. So,  There’s this whole trend now that everyone’s like, you know, the body keeps the score.

Everyone knows about this. Right. And so core has kind of been in this place that was like, you know, the original lineage of body based psychotherapy. So that came from Reich who was a student of Freud. And then it was through bioenergetics, which was Lohan and Paracas. And then Paracas went off and created core energetics.

And so the concept is that really like, right.  Through our very early ages. So like zero in utero to maybe like seven  the wounding that’s happening is actually being structured into your body. And we work with the energy that we call it, like to break through the actual physical blocks in the body to put you back in touch with feeling.

Because oftentimes as kids, those types of feelings are so utterly overwhelming and they actually equate Like death. It’s like, we cannot feel that. So we do everything in our power to shut that down. And you can actually see that happening in someone’s body. And so we work with all sorts of different techniques to break through some of those blockages and reconnect people with the feeling with themselves. And, um,  Yeah, I mean it’s it’s a process. It’s a real real process

Christian
How long would you say if somebody wanted to get into? Quarantine, so what would be the process or like what’s the timeline on like getting into that kind of like work? Would you say yeah, you can do stuff in a month or three months or six months from of course The longer, the more, of course, right.

But like, if you get into it, do it at least for like, what, three months, six months, what do you, what do you recommend?

Mike Howell
I mean, it’s a real therapeutic container. So, I mean, I think that like to really see lasting change and transformation, you’re probably looking at a couple of years, truthfully. I mean, I think you will see effects very quickly because it is.

Going towards the body. It’s not just talking about the problem and going in circles But  I mean I’ve been at this for I think 11 years at this point and it’s like there’s constantly something else There’s constantly something deeper, you know, and I guess it’s really kind of where the person  how deep they want to go It’s not like you have to go to the very bottom, you know, and dredge it all up.

You really don’t.  Um,  yeah, it kind of depends on the process, I would say.

Christian
So, I’m always a little, I’m always a fan of just making things tangible for people. Right. So sometimes,  like from my point of view, like I help people coach their, like, you know, online strategy and business and the idea. So is there anything we can do in this podcast that could be a little example of the work like where you could coach me or you could like, just like,  is there something like that?

Are you saying that it’s, you know, we need to just kind of like really a deep container. Is there’s a, is there a little fun exercise that we could do that people would just feel of  what core injections or like ask questions. Just like maybe a little. Five, 10 minutes, like,  because I’m happy to, you know, dive  into  things.

Mike Howell
Yeah. I mean, I think the way,  that’s a good question. Is there a way that we could actually do that?  I mean,  I, I don’t think so. Unless you want to like dive into personal history stuff.

Christian
Yeah. Let’s see how far we come in like five, 10 minutes. Right. And then,  right. Let’s, let’s, I mean, just,

Mike Howell
well, how about we start with this?

Like, bring your awareness to your breath. Don’t change anything.  Just feel how it’s moving in your body.

Notice if there’s any where that feels  constricted or held.

Again, nothing needs to change. Just notice.

And as you’re here breathing,  what sensations are you aware of in your body?

Christian
So what I feel is, uh, like a tension on the right side of my body, kind of like, of my spine.

Mike Howell
Hmm. Anything on the left?

Christian
The left feels a lot more free.

Mike Howell
Yeah. And what do you notice about your breath?

Christian
Well, I noticed that there’s more air coming through the left side of my nostril than the right side.  That’s one thing. Um,  the breath itself is,

feels a little shallow.  I haven’t  breathed deep in a while. I would say like 24 hours, like really deep, you know, being on the T Expo and running around and talking to people, you know, it’s like, yeah,

Mike Howell
yeah.  Yeah. So from here, if we were in person,  I might put you on what we call the roller  to bring awareness to your diaphragm  because there’s probably some tension there.  Oftentimes the first way that we, um,  that we try to lessen feeling is to lessen our breathing.  Um, And then I would eventually come back to that right side of your body, like you’re feeling the right side, like the tension in your, your right spine.

And,  depending on our relationship and how far we’ve gone into moving energy, I might ask you to, to try to move something from that place. We may hit, we may kick, we may I mean, there’s a variety of different things. And then from that place,  try to understand like what comes up, right? Like, is there something there?

Like, is that bringing images up? Is that bringing like some sort of history up,  you know, that’s one way in to kind of come in from the body. The other way is to really bring in a specific topic, like something that’s happening in your life or something that’s been, um, with you that feels unresolved in some way.

And then. From that place using that issue taking it into the body and trying to move through it  So there’s a million different ways that can happen  and part of the beauty of the work is the creativity that’s available in it

Christian
Yeah  When I was living in Bali as a digital nomad  Before I got married have a child can like settled in the US I met a person who was talking about how different sides and different parts of the body have like just different functions Can you speak a little bit to that?

For example, like what i’ve heard for example I don’t know if it’s like 100 true, but it makes sense Like for example, the right side is kind of the masculine side the left side is The feminine side, like, is that like, is that something you can confirm or is this, is there any other pinpoints that you can, I guess, yeah.

Mike Howell
Yeah. That’s not really, um, something that we,  uh,  they’ve not really like distilled that in core, but that’s always been my understanding of it. Um, you know, that the right side tends to be more masculine, more active, more forward moving. Whereas the left side tends to be more receptive, more passive, more feminine.

But it’s not something that I, I learned through my training. That’s something that’s just kind of been with me.

Christian
Good.  All right. Okay. So, um,  let’s, uh, let’s go back to a little bit to your moment, like with the, where you changed to make your decision from burning to like change your career and change your life.

Like, can you share like.  Any initial challenges that you faced or like how did you kind of bridge that the old to new life?

Mike Howell
Yeah, I mean there were a lot of challenges kind of along the way I think

a lot of  social contracts that I created  in the sense of You know relationship dynamics that were kind of from this old place I had to do a lot of shifting and with that Um, you know, there’s a lot that happens when people expect you to show up a certain way.  And so there were things that ended, things that shifted, things that changed.

Um, you know, I think that’s really kind of a part of anyone’s  real journey towards themselves. I think that that’s something someone will run into. Um,  The, the job that I ended up taking, uh,  was not a easy job. I ended up managing a wealthy family’s estate because while I was acting, I, I catered, it was the way I made the bulk of my money.

And so, um,  I knew kind of how to operate in some of those.  wealthier homes, let’s say.  And I mean, it was a very, very awesome experience and really gave me so much opportunity, but there were lots of struggles in terms of like, can I actually do this? Like, you know, my life was not my own for a period of time and I had to just kind of hold the vision of like, this is the thing I’m moving towards.

This is what it’s about.  And.  You know, ultimately that really paid off and it was the right decision, but it was it was it was tough for a little while

Christian
Yeah, good. Yeah, I mean, you know when we go through a rebirth or recalibration,  you know There’s always some some resistance that that we face And, um,  so my next question would be about,  like, when did you start thinking about creating an online presence with your business?

Not till very recently. Yeah. And how far were you into? Like I would say the process of how many years did it kind of, yeah. Tell us a little bit about that. Like, when did you actually say, yeah, I think it’s time for a website and being present and being offering this, like, you know, publicly.

Mike Howell
Yeah. So once I graduated and really kind of started to build my practice, like the question I always got on intro calls was like, do you have a website?

And I was like,  I don’t.  Um, and so, you know, I, I poked around and, you know, some websites are just,  Like they’re just bad and you know, I have a little bit of tech savvy, but not enough to be able to like put something together that I would think would be.  you know, that would look decent. And so  I finally got to this place where it was like, okay, like I, I need to, this needs to happen.

This feels like it’s kind of like a,  um,  a marker along the way. And, uh, and that was recent, you know, I would say it was in the last six months that that really happened for me. Um, cause  yeah, like in terms of social media, I, I, I’m not really a participant. What’s happening in social media. So that’s kind of kept me a little bit further out  But in terms of a website like it does feel like it’s you kind of have to have it.

Christian
Yeah, it’s always kind of good when somebody gets a website whether it’s in the beginning or in whatever stage it is it’s always kind of like a  Putting kind of like a stake in the ground saying like this is who I am now, right? Yeah, starting out or later you have multiple offerings  But yeah, it’s always like an energetic like anchoring.

Mike Howell
Yeah, that’s a good way to put it. Yeah There’s there’s definitely something energetic about it.

Christian
Yeah Yeah, that’s right. I mean, that’s why I love  working with people who do that, right? Because we bring their vision, their something that they’ve decided they actually want to do as a website, right? That means just like they really are committed to whatever it is they’re going to put on there, right?

Yeah. Because it takes time, it takes energy, it takes money often if you don’t do it yourself in the beginning, oftentimes, you know, you do it yourself.  Um, But yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s a beautiful expression, you know? And I think that’s how  the message spreads, right?

Mike Howell
Yeah, exactly. It’s a way for people to find you.

Christian
Yeah.  Great. Um, so are you looking into creating some more social content or you plan on staying kind of offline? Like, how do you think of generating traffic or visitors or how do you get your clients?

Mike Howell
Yeah. So  I, at this point am not planning to create content for social media, therapy and social media to me.

Don’t mix super well at least in the way that I’ve been able to conceptualize it That’s not to say that maybe there’s something else down the road. But um  A lot of the way that I have found to kind of create engagement is through community. And COVID really did a number here in New York in terms of the community that was part of Core Energetics.

And so part of what I want to do is I want to really like re enliven  that community and give people like, you know, these experiences that kind of give them a taste of the work. And, um,  Yeah, and to just really  have a place because like that really just all dispersed after COVID.

Christian
So what do you think could be a good way, thinking from a online perspective right now, what could be a good way to give people a taste?

online. Like how could they, without meeting you at a, you know, cool event or, you know, just without meeting you in person, like, what could be a good way for people to get a taste of your,

Mike Howell
Yeah, there may be, um, like, I mean, body work is a big part of, of core. And so possibly doing some sort of  zoom, uh, meeting where we do like a 45 minute body work session and, you know, just kind of  invite people to share a little bit afterwards.

Christian
Just is there, is there anything you can offer that people can do themselves where you can like instruct them or  I’m thinking kind of like, you know, muscle testing or whatever, not that probably not part of core, but like what’s something that could offer that people can just consume at any time in any given, you know what I mean?

Mike Howell
I’m just thinking, you know, yeah, there may be at some point, um, merit in putting together some sort of course that kind of talks about some of the,  like there are these definite tenants that we, that we use in core, um, and to kind of give people a bit of psycho education around  all these different things like that could be a way and that could really kind of be self paced and people could really just dive in at their leisure.

Christian
Yeah, I think that’s gonna be a really good offering,  right? Just because I think it’s an offering that a lot of people don’t really know what it’s about core energetics Yeah, core energetics and It’s just good to have some sort of education up front,  right? Yes, they can read about it But if you actually talk about it like right now you explain it so well in the podcast and say oh I get it now Yeah You know,  so even, yeah, even if you have, you know, if you have some time and just record a video for your website in the future to be like, Hey, welcome, this is me.

And this is what I do. And this is core energetics. And this is why I believe in it. You know, I think it’s, it’s really, really great. And especially people with AI more coming online, like they look for this personal connection, right? Because in five years. AI will be able to give you the answer to anything you want to know.

Hey, I want to create a website and make, you know, 5, 000 passive income while keeping my, I don’t know, part time job. What can I do? Tiki, tiki, tiki, tiki, tiki. There you go. Choose, right? So it’s really inviting us to number one, get clear and what we want in our lives with AI coming and also it really brings  forward the personal connection.

Again.  Yeah, it has to. Because anything is going to be so accessible through AI and technology. Um, So are you, what do you think about AI technology? Have you, are you using it in your business? Do you plan to, you don’t like it at all. What’s your, what’s your stance?

Mike Howell
Um, I mean, I think it’s, uh,  I, I can see the potential that’s there.

Uh, I can also see the, um,  like the potential ruin. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think it’s a very delicate balance. If I’m honest, like I can certainly see that, you know, there, there are a lot of good things that it could do. Um,  to your point about the personal connection, like anytime I’ve tried to use it, like that seems to be very much missing.

And that to me is like a hallmark of what my  work is about, you know, that personal connection and being in the room with people being connected. Um,  And so yeah, I mean that feels like it’s kind of taking us further away from that  So I guess my inclination at this point is to you know,  not go towards it

Christian
Got it. Yeah. Um Yeah, we use it quite a bit in our agency. I think it’s been it’s been super helpful for some things But others are just like yeah, it doesn’t have that  like that finesse with branding and emotions and like feeling into something that we humans have yet. I’m pretty sure it’s going to get there.

Um,  but yeah. And you mentioned in the beginning of the podcast that you, you, you say that we live in dire times, you know, a lot of things is, many things are happening. There’s a big, you know, restructuring, like, what do you think is, is coming for humanity?

Mike Howell
Yeah, that’s a tough question. What’s actually coming?

I don’t know. I have no idea. What do you think? But,  yeah, I mean, there, there are,

it feels like there’s a split happening, you know? And there are people who, and from the lens of psychology, you can even put it in this like, we’re in the midst of an individuation process. Like people really trying to  find their sovereignty.  Um,  and people who do not want to do that, who wants someone to tell them what to do and how to do it.

And the means of control are quite extreme right now, in my opinion.  And you know, the, the division is like, it’s never been before. And I think that, you know, that’s by design  and  part of what I think needs to happen is we’ve really got to find a way to come together.  Like that’s really what it’s about.

Find the compassion and empathy.

Christian
So when you say by design, you mean by divine design or by design of,  you know, other human parties?

Mike Howell
Could be both. I mean, it’s similar to what you said in the intro, right? It’s like life is the teacher  and all of the things that are playing out in the world and how they’re affecting us are information for what’s actually happening with inside of us. Where are you in all of that? How is that affecting you? You know, how are you feeling about all of that?  It’s all information.

Christian
So how is there any,  like, from your perspective of core energetics, like what, what would you recommend to people to do in the upcoming months or years? Like what’s, what’s a helpful practice? What’s that? Well, what are helpful tools or routines to,  to embody?

Mike Howell
Yeah. Find your center. Find what that means for you.

Okay.  Like finding ways to bring yourself back into presence. You know, we’re so distracted with technology and you know, all the shiny things that are around us, like finding ways to really slow down and connect to yourself.  Where are you? What’s happening?  Why is it happening? You know, really, really like, you know, finding time to meditate or finding different ways to be in your body, like reconnect to your body.

Cause that’s  part of who you are.  I think that’s so. The divide in that even, you know, in ourselves of like the body and the mind are two separate things, but it’s like, no, actually this is all one.

Christian
So how can we do that? I think one way is breath. Is there anything else?

Mike Howell
Um, meditation is good. Um, you know, any sort of embodiment practice for some people, that’s yoga for some people that’s working out for some people that’s going for a walk, you know, it could be anything, um, connection to nature. It’s a variety of different ways. Yeah.

Christian
Yeah.

Mike Howell
Tea. Exactly.

Christian
Tea. Totally. Tea always brings me to my center. I love Tea.

Mike Howell
Yeah, having that moment to like slow down and like connect with yourself, be with the Tea. Absolutely.

Christian
Yeah.

Mike Howell
That’s totally it.

Christian
I know. Yeah, T is great. I feel like oftentimes  like when you’re tired T picks you up and then also like when you’re like lethargic and it’s just like it supports you either way or kind of like it balances you out because it has both sides it has Like feminine slowing down and also has that masculine a little bit, you know moving on being Alive, you know,  it’s yeah.

Um, I’m happy. We talked about that. Um, yeah.  So, um,  for  any like new spiritual entrepreneurs or people who are starting out with their business and who have like a vision that you had and kind of want to change your life, is there any like advice you would give them or any, like,  yeah. Do you have any tips for them?

What to do, how to think, what to be? Thank you.

Mike Howell
I mean, I think it’s literally what we just said. It’s like, you’ve got to hold on to your center.  Like it has to move from that place and trusting that when you move from there and you’re in alignment. Everything else is going to happen. Like it’s not your job to know the how.

Christian
Beautiful.  I think that’s really,  that’s really deep, you know, because a lot of times what we are interested in, in this, uh, superficial,  you know, kind of like social media website world is like, what’s the, how, how can I, what’s the next Instagram hack or tactic?  So it’s really beautiful to know that when, and this is like what you see across content to like people who are just In their center and authentic like their content does so much better than a scripted piece of This is how you do it kind of thing, you know, I saw I saw this guy on instagram um the other day and He just literally  Um, so he has this like big belly And it’s really big,  you know, and all he does is that he stands there and he shakes his belly, you know, and then it just wobbles, you know, and he puts a soundtrack to the wobble and he does different things.

He like eats while he does it with the music. I mean, it’s ridiculous. Okay. Like this stuff, you know, the content that really works is just so  authentic. Yeah.  So I think that’s a beautiful Testament to that.  I have to look for that.  So I don’t know his name. I forgot. It’s just like a real, I can’t work on say this is fucking hilarious.

They’re way like millions of views. Every video, this guy’s five million views. He goes to a restaurant,  you know, he’s ice cream.

Mike Howell
Okay.

Christian
Yeah. Like he’s in his.  You know what I mean? Absolutely.  Um, maybe one day off center. Who knows? I don’t know. We’ll see where it goes. Okay. Um, so, all right. So any kind of, uh, closing remarks, um, for this podcast, since we’re, you know, nearing the end of this episode, like is there any, any closing remarks, tips or thoughts you’d like to share with our listeners?

Mike Howell
Yeah, I think it’s really just  kind of what we’ve already been on these last couple of minutes. It’s like, you know, you’ve got to find your center  and that’s a process  and  Part of that process is trusting the process,  you know, it’s not always easy and it’s not always  Happy and  you know, there there’s a lot there. Yeah And their support to be had around it.

Christian
Yeah. So  here you have it, find your center, you know, I like, I like when people have kind of like  just simple answers, you know, cause there’s a lot of words that you can say and talk around, but you know, you notice when people kind of like really found their core, which you have, um, because their words become so succinct, right.

And the message becomes very congruent and there’s not much to say,  find your center.  And from there, all the answers will come. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you so much for being part of this episode of the Successful Sports Entrepreneur podcast. And, um, yeah, excited to see your path going forward. so much for being on the show, Mike.

Mike Howell
Thanks for having me. This is a lot of fun. I learned a ton about tea and I love it. I’m going to go buy yours right now.

Christian
Thank you. All right. Bye bye. Thank you. All right.

Mike Howell
Thanks again.